Didn't the legislature fund smaller class size for k-6?
Last year Washington voters passed an initiative requiring smaller class sizes in all grade levels. After much debate the legislature decided to fund a small portion of that law. Whether or not I-1351 was a good initiative or not is something we will not get into right now. The fact remains that the legislature did set aside some money to fund smaller class sizes for some grades (read a little about that HERE). So why aren't we getting smaller classes here in Pasco? Because Saundra Hill has said "no thank you" to those funds, arguing that we don't have classroom space or teachers to make that a reality. This is a false argument however because funding for smaller class sizes can be used to hire additional support staff. Many districts assign extra para-educator supports to most (if not all) classrooms. In Pasco even our neediest classrooms (special education and bi-lingual) are often left with out extra instructional support staff.
The average employee doesn't get a cola or step raise, why should teachers?
This is a great point, and one that we would whole heartily agree with if we had an abundance of teachers. But the truth is we are desperately short on teachers across the state. In Pasco we are less than a month away from the first day of school and we still have more than 70 classrooms without teachers. This is a simple case of supply and demand economics. If there aren't enough people willing to go into teaching (supply is low and demand is high) then the price of a teacher (their salary) should naturally go up. If there were hundreds of applicants for every open position, there would be no need for raises. But that is not the case here.
Another point to mention is that raises based on years of service end somewhere between eight and sixteen years (this varies based on education level). Teacher salaries cap out at $38,000 for a bachelor's degree, $57,000 for a master's degree, and $64,000 for a doctorate.These are not exceptionally high salaries for this level of education. Once a teacher has maxed out the pay scale, there is little incentive for them to stay in the job at a current level of pay (or possibly less pay depending on a variety of fluctuating factors) when they could leave teaching and possibly make more money somewhere else.
Isn't the average salary of a legislator far less than that of a teacher?
Yes. In Washington the average legislator earns about $42,000 per year and the average teacher earns $52,000. But again let's look at supply and demand. There is no shortage of politicians but there is a teacher shortage. So if an average salary of $52,000 per year isn't bringing in enough teachers, something has to be done about that. It's not that a teacher's salary is too small to live on or that teachers deserve more than some other professions (those are both very subjective arguments). The simple truth is we have a teacher shortage, that in and of itself tells us that we are not paying teachers enough to make it a desirable profession.
Legislators didn't get a cola for 8 years, so don't they deserve a raise?
No. They are public servants. It is not meant to be their full time job. There is no shortage of people applying for jobs as legislators, so why are we incentivizing the position? Do they need a raise? No. If they are unhappy with the salary, they can go back to their day job. There are plenty more politicians to take their place. Unfortunately the same can not be said of teachers.
Why are you blaming legislators for giving themselves a raise when it was a third party that made the recommendation?
No matter who's idea it was, at the end of the day they still voted to give themselves a raise. They bemoaned the lack of funding for worthwhile endeavors and then boosted their own pay.
Doesn't teachers asking for an 11% pay raise look like a tantrum?
Yes, we'll agree with you there. It was a crazy request. But look at it from a bargaining standpoint. You start high and then dicker back and forth. It's just how it's done. It would be nice if it wasn't that way, but that is currently how salary negotiations are conducted. However, we've already asserted that teacher pay does need to go up, so we aren't going to get caught up in whether or not they asked nicely. It's a side argument meant to deflect attention from the real issue at hand.
If the state already gave teacher raises this year, why do Pasco teachers think they need more?
For the sake of discussion, let's assume that the raise given by the legislature was a fair and reasonable raise. That money was given to all teachers across the state. That sounds fair right? The problem is teaching in Pasco isn't like teaching in other districts. Other districts have resources (fancy things like CURRICULUM) that make the job a whole lot easier. Because teaching in Pasco is arguably harder than teaching in other districts, PSD needs to sweeten the pot a little and offer teachers something more than they can get in Kennewick or Richland. How do we know teaching in Pasco is considered less desirable? Because we still have 70+ job openings and Richland has 10. Last year 70 teachers left the district, this year it is already over 100.
Why can't we remove federal money and state control and make it all local?
In
principal having more local control and less state and federal meddling
sounds wonderful. However, different communities have different
resources available. If all funding came from the local level, the
equity gap among schools would be even more staggering than it already
is. Just a quick look at our own Tri-Cities and you can see this is
true. There are a lot of things funded by big government, but a lot is
funded by local levies and bonds. The difference in tax base just
between Richland and Pasco means that Richland is building schools like
they are made of money (because they practically are) and Pasco is
struggling just to keep some of our buildings at less than 150%
capacity. On a national scale the difference in resources between a
poverty stricken urban school and a wealthy district in the suburbs is
truly appalling.
A beautiful solution would be to have all
schools equally funded by federal dollars, with all control of spending
done at the local level. However, given the nature of
politics/power/money that seems unlikely. The plain truth of the matter is, if we funded all schools locally, Pasco would come up short to cover even basic services for students.
I appreciate your detailed response. I don't have time to respond at the moment more fully but here are my immediate responses. 1) You said it was not really about the money but these statements are mainly about the money so let's stop saying it isn't and call it what it is - Pasco teachers demand more money. I understand you feel there are other issues curriculum being one. I say let's not indiscriminately dump more money to teacher’s salaries so they will be willing to work in the district. Let's find out what the root problem is and fix it. The problem is not pay if other districts with similar pay are not having an issue. 2) You rightly point out that base salary is capped with a BA and no additional credits at 38,000. However you conveniently leave out that a) There is not ONE SINGLE TEACHER in the district that made only base pay. Not one. Look it up. If I can find this information in quick search without being a teacher I am left to assume that you deliberately left out this information to skew your numbers. Teachers receive bonus and stipends which for the average secondary teacher in the district adds an addition 7,800 per year and for the average elementary teacher it adds an additional 4,350 per year. This is not money I would forget to count in my budget. b) My understanding is that every teacher (as in many other professions) require additional education credits. So a teacher who wishes to remain in teaching cannot just stay in the Bachelor+0 category indefinitely. They must can additional credits and thus move to a new bracket and more pay. I don't know this for a fact. Perhaps you can confirm or deny this.
ReplyDelete. 3) You state again the average salary of a teacher is 52k in the district but in additional to excluding the additional income listed above it also includes part time teachers. So actual average compensation is around 6k per year more. Add to this the benefits package at 10,215 and we are pushing cost of 70,000 on average per teacher. Per city-data income the median income in Pasco per earner is 34,021 meaning teachers actual income is 70% higher than the median income of a single earner in Pasco. No doubt teachers should be paid more but 70% more does not seem unreasonable for a tax payer funded job. 4) As for there being plenty of legislatures I would push back with the following a) There are 59,000 teachers in Washington state and 147 legislators. The influence a single legislator has on the state is far more significant than a single teacher. Not trying to devalue in any way a teacher’s potential to influence but there is no comparison in terms of the scarcity of a legislator as compared to a teacher. B) Many on your side of the argument want to demean and belittle the work of a legislator. I for one consider it critical and want the smartest and most qualified person in this role. It is not a part time job either as has been frequently stated by your side. The legislature is in session for part of the year and the rest of the year is spent supporting your district. Now if we raise all the legislature 5,000 per year it costs the state 735,000 if we match that and give it to every teacher in the state it costs 295 MILLION. This does not include raises that would not doubt be then demanded from others who feel it is unfair for teachers to get a raise and not themselves – Para pros, lunch staff, administration, bus drivers, janitors. I trust the difference is clear. 5) As for the point about local funding I was not arguing for that I was arguing for local control and I agree it is unlikely but perhaps some could be won back.
ReplyDeleteBottom line is teacher’s pay is sufficient and routine pay increases are in place both for education and step and for the moment even COLA. Benefits are better than in the public sector for the most part. Wholesale additional increases because one doesn’t like the district and threatens to walk off their job if you don’t meet union demands is irresponsible and throws doubt on the character on the ones with significant influence on our kids. It is a demonstration of the entitlement spirit of this age.
Sorry missed class size. If you take the total number of students divided by the total number of teachers you are left with a 1:20 student/teacher ration. That seems reasonable.
ReplyDeleteSomething I wrote this spring in reguard to the class size issue:
ReplyDeleteIf you go to the Washington Education Association page that have a few requests/demands. They include the following:
1) Meet the class size requirements mandated by I-1351.
This would require hiring 15,000 new teachers. Average cost for a teacher in the state with benefits included exceeds $70,000. 70,000 x 15,000 = 1,050,000,000. That's over a Billion Dollars yearly!
Add to that the additional paraeducator requirements for the additional classes. I was unable to find exact numbers but let's conservatively call it 7,500 paraeducators x $20,000. That is $150,000,000 yearly!
Then we need 25% more classrooms (at least they can be smaller) to accommodate the new teachers. Let's go cheap on this and add modular classrooms. Average price for a modular classroom is 125,000 (plus hooking up utilities etc - I have no idea what that costs so I'll stick with 125,000). So 125,000 x 15,000 = 1,875,000,000. Almost 2 billion (at least it is a one time cost!)
Grand Total for one year of I-1351 (not including maintenance/computers/desks etc) is.... drum roll please.... 3.075 Billion dollars.
This would be in addition to the 45% of the state budget that already goes towards public schools
I-1351 was passed without a plan for where the funds were going to come from. So it will either remain an unfunded liability (my preference), or we will have to lose significant services in other areas, or we will have to raise taxes by 10% to cover this loss.
The difference between Washington State's class size and the national average is less than 3 kids.... I think we can make it.
How can the average teacher pay be $52,000 when I have been there for 9 years? I have been a teacher for 18 years, making what you say as average, and because of my family size can qualify for government help. I had a talk with one of my friends who works as a driver for UPS. in his first year, he make 3 time more than what I make in 18 years of teaching.
ReplyDeleteIn order to make more on the pay scale, I need to take classes. Currently, I'm in my 4th year of college. I had been in college and received 2 bachelors in speech and hearing sciences and teaching, taught for 13 years and decided get my masters. I took classes for 2 years only to be told I needed to get another job because my emergency certificate expired. I will be graduating this year with a masters in teaching with an endorsement. 1 year of college at the university I'm going to is $17,000. Times that by 4 years and we are talking $68,000 just for tuition alone. Now after taxes are taken out, my jump in pay from BA+90 to MA+90 is about $200 a month. When do I recoup my money for getting a MA? Also, unless there is a change in the pay schedule, MA+90 and Doctorate get paid the same rate.
http://data.spokesman.com/salaries/schools/2015/ here is where you can see average teacher pay is not 52k but closer to 58k in the pasco school district
ReplyDeleteAnd that is before the raises starting in a month.
ReplyDeleteAgain, Since 2006, I have been hovering between $48 -52 depending on how many after school trainings or enrichment classes I went to. I took a pay decrease when I took a different position that wasn't a in-classroom teacher. I also delayed getting my masters because HR, told me I would jump from a BA+90 to an MA+0. The difference in pay is $4 a year. Recently I was told that information was incorrect.
ReplyDeleteAll of these are very valid points and concerns. I would recommend attending the next budget meeting at the Pasco School District or any of the scheduled board meetings to bring up these concerns with those who have the power to directly address them.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.k12.wa.us/safs/PUB/PER/SalAllocSchedule.pdf Here you can see how your teacher's pay changes with years of service and education. This does not show COLA increases which increase all the chart's numbers.
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